3rd party tools to apply an internet track listing to a file

[aw]

Hi,

Just wondering if anyone knows of any tools which can lookup a tracklisting from the internet (e.g. Gracenote, Discogs, MusicBrainz) and superimpose it on a vinyl recording made in Amadeus.

My wished-for workflow:
1. Record a vinyl record to disk using Amadeus
2. Use a tool to look up a track listing from the internet and have the track divisions show up in Amadeus as Markers.
3. Adjust the track markers accurately.
4. Split the track at the markers and write the ID info tags

I am using a good little Windows program (Vinyl Records) to split and name the tracks, then export the tracks to Amadeus for clean-up, etc. Unfortunately the tagging info doesn't travel with it - I have to export the files from Windows as WAV files so I can use the excellent ClickRepair program, and WAV files don't keep MP3 metadata.

I would love Amadeus to do this! But perhaps there is some software out there which can at least provide split points based on internet tracklistings?

Regds
AW

[Ron Fleckner]

On 18/06/2009, at 1:03 PM, aw wrote:

Hi,

Just wondering if anyone knows of any tools which can lookup a
tracklisting from the internet (e.g. Gracenote, Discogs,
MusicBrainz) and superimpose it on a vinyl recording made in Amadeus.

My wished-for workflow:
1. Record a vinyl record to disk using Amadeus
2. Use a tool to look up a track listing from the internet and have
the track divisions show up in Amadeus as Markers.
3. Adjust the track markers accurately.
4. Split the track at the markers and write the ID info tags

I am using a good little Windows program (Vinyl Records) to split
and name the tracks, then export the tracks to Amadeus for clean-up,
etc. Unfortunately the tagging info doesn't travel with it - I have
to export the files from Windows as WAV files so I can use the
excellent ClickRepair program, and WAV files don't keep MP3 metadata.

I would love Amadeus to do this! But perhaps there is some software
out there which can at least provide split points based on internet
tracklistings?

Regds
AW

Using MY workflow, I end up using iTunes. This is how I've been doing
it:

- Record vinyl into Amadeus file (both sides as one big file).
- Mark the beginning of each track. Doesn't matter what label the
mark has.
- Save file. This is just insurance, not sure if it's required.
- Burn to Audio CD from within AP and let the finished CD mount
- iTunes starts when CD mounts (default System Prefs setting)
- iTunes gets the track names from CCDB - voila!

I was amazed when this first happened. The track markers don't even
need to be very accurate. The audio file may have scratches and
cracks, but somehow (actually, I'm still amazed) it works.

At the end of the process, I've got the album into iTunes as well as a
backup CD.

Ron

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[aw]

[quote="Ron Fleckner"]On 18/06/2009, at 1:03 PM, aw wrote:

Using MY workflow, I end up using iTunes. This is how I've been doing
it:

- Record vinyl into Amadeus file (both sides as one big file).
- Mark the beginning of each track. Doesn't matter what label the
mark has.
- Save file. This is just insurance, not sure if it's required.
- Burn to Audio CD from within AP and let the finished CD mount
- iTunes starts when CD mounts (default System Prefs setting)
- iTunes gets the track names from CCDB - voila!

I was amazed when this first happened. The track markers don't even
need to be very accurate. The audio file may have scratches and
cracks, but somehow (actually, I'm still amazed) it works.

At the end of the process, I've got the album into iTunes as well as a
backup CD.

Ron
[/quote]


Thanks Ron. Interesting...I might give it a go. The only issue is the cost of a CD for every album conversion...I don't want to keep any backups.

AW

[Martin Hairer]

- iTunes starts when CD mounts (default System Prefs setting)
- iTunes gets the track names from CCDB - voila!

Amazing, I didn't realise that this would work! Thanks for the tip,

Martin

HairerSoft
http://www.hairersoft.com/


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[aw]

Ron,

You might like to try ClickRepair and DeNoise on your original single file to get rid of any clicks, rumble and hiss before you insert the markers. They are low cost ($40) shareware products coded by a retired mathematics academic, run on all platforms. You can use for 21 days unrestricted as a trial, I found them both brilliant, better than other much more expensive commercial products - and bought them!
If you're interested:
http://wwwmaths.anu.edu.au/~briand/sound/

Cheers
AW

[Ron Fleckner]

On 18/06/2009, at 7:06 PM, Martin Hairer wrote:

- iTunes starts when CD mounts (default System Prefs setting)
- iTunes gets the track names from CCDB - voila!

Amazing, I didn't realise that this would work! Thanks for the tip,

Martin

HairerSoft
http://www.hairersoft.com/

Yes, amazing is the first word that comes to mind. I did see an ad on
television which showed an iPhone app which, if one holds the iPhone
up to some playing music, can identify that music for you. I always
assumed that iTunes could identify audio CDs by using some metadata on
the CD itself, but it seems like it can use the waveform as a kind of
fingerprint. No idea, really.



On 18/06/2009, at 7:52 PM, aw wrote:

Ron,

You might like to try ClickRepair and DeNoise on your original
single file to get rid of any clicks, rumble and hiss before you
insert the markers. They are low cost ($40) shareware products coded
by a retired mathematics academic, run on all platforms. You can use
for 21 days unrestricted as a trial, I found them both brilliant,
better than other much more expensive commercial products - and
bought them!
If you're interested:
http://wwwmaths.anu.edu.au/~briand/sound/

Cheers
AW

Thanks, AW. Do these apps do a better job than AP? I do actually de-
click my audio using the Repair Centre in AP, but sometimes it misses
some, even if the sensitivity is up full. I generally don't mind a
few cracks and pops, but if ClickRepair is better, I'll definitely
consider it. Thanks very much for the link.

Ron

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[Gerard Bik]

To avoid the cost of burning cd's, invest in some rewritable cd's.
These can be formated as audio cd's. Newer cd-players even recognize
them. And they can be re-used.

Gerard
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[Gerard Bik]

The system seems to be even simpler: track durations are used to look up cd contents.
This was given as an explanation for the strange results iTunes gives for single track cds. The less tracks, the more matches.

Gerard

On 18/06/2009, at 7:06 PM, Martin Hairer wrote:

- iTunes starts when CD mounts (default System Prefs setting)
- iTunes gets the track names from CCDB - voila!

Amazing, I didn't realise that this would work! Thanks for the tip,

Martin

HairerSoft
http://www.hairersoft.com/

Yes, amazing is the first word that comes to mind. I did see an ad on television which showed an iPhone app which, if one holds the iPhone up to some playing music, can identify that music for you. I always assumed that iTunes could identify audio CDs by using some metadata on the CD itself, but it seems like it can use the waveform as a kind of fingerprint. No idea, really.



On 18/06/2009, at 7:52 PM, aw wrote:

Ron,

You might like to try ClickRepair and DeNoise on your original single file to get rid of any clicks, rumble and hiss before you insert the markers. They are low cost ($40) shareware products coded by a retired mathematics academic, run on all platforms. You can use for 21 days unrestricted as a trial, I found them both brilliant, better than other much more expensive commercial products - and bought them!
If you're interested:
http://wwwmaths.anu.edu.au/~briand/sound/

Cheers
AW

Thanks, AW. Do these apps do a better job than AP? I do actually de-click my audio using the Repair Centre in AP, but sometimes it misses some, even if the sensitivity is up full. I generally don't mind a few cracks and pops, but if ClickRepair is better, I'll definitely consider it. Thanks very much for the link.

Ron

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[Martin Hairer]

The system seems to be even simpler: track durations are used to
look up cd contents.

That's what I always thought. (And I am pretty sure that it used to be
the case.) However, this wouldn't work on a home-made recording since
the track lengths would always be somwehat wrong. Maybe this is only
being used as a fall-back mechanism right now, but I am just
speculating.

I did see an ad on television which showed an iPhone app which, if
one holds the iPhone up to some playing music, can identify that
music for you.

That would be Shazam. In can confirm that it really does work, most of
the time even if you try to confuse it Regards,

Martin

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[aw]

[quote="Ron Fleckner"]On 18/06/2009, at 7:06 PM, Martin Hairer wrote:

[quote][quote]- iTunes starts when CD mounts (default System Prefs setting)
- iTunes gets the track names from CCDB - voila!
[/quote]
Amazing, I didn't realise that this would work! Thanks for the tip,

Martin

HairerSoft
http://www.hairersoft.com/
[/quote]
Yes, amazing is the first word that comes to mind. I did see an ad on
television which showed an iPhone app which, if one holds the iPhone
up to some playing music, can identify that music for you. I always
assumed that iTunes could identify audio CDs by using some metadata on
the CD itself, but it seems like it can use the waveform as a kind of
fingerprint. No idea, really.



On 18/06/2009, at 7:52 PM, aw wrote:

[quote]Ron,

You might like to try ClickRepair and DeNoise on your original
single file to get rid of any clicks, rumble and hiss before you
insert the markers. They are low cost ($40) shareware products coded
by a retired mathematics academic, run on all platforms. You can use
for 21 days unrestricted as a trial, I found them both brilliant,
better than other much more expensive commercial products - and
bought them!
If you're interested:
http://wwwmaths.anu.edu.au/~briand/sound/

Cheers
AW
[/quote]
Thanks, AW. Do these apps do a better job than AP? I do actually de-
click my audio using the Repair Centre in AP, but sometimes it misses
some, even if the sensitivity is up full. I generally don't mind a
few cracks and pops, but if ClickRepair is better, I'll definitely
consider it. Thanks very much for the link.

Ron

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To be honest, I've not tried AP noise reduction (actually, I had a very brief fiddle, but not enough to form an opinion). I picked up complimentary comments about ClickRepair and DeNoise elsewhere on the web, so tried it. I figured all the effort was put into those two functions alone, while Martin has his hands full keeping AP at the cutting edge as an all-round application. I enjoy AP, but all pre-work is done by CR and DN.

AW

[aw]

[quote="aw"]
To be honest, I've not tried AP noise reduction (actually, I had a very brief fiddle, but not enough to form an opinion). I picked up complimentary comments about ClickRepair and DeNoise elsewhere on the web, so tried it. I figured all the effort was put into those two functions alone, while Martin has his hands full keeping AP at the cutting edge as an all-round application. I enjoy AP, but all pre-work is done by CR and DN.

AW[/quote]

P.S. How come what I've quoted from previous emails doesn't show up like the everyone else's, with nice white boxes???