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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:16 pm    Post subject: crossfaiding in 1.5 Reply with quote

Sarah,

Crossfading left and right may do what you want. crossfade left means
take a selection and crossfade it to an equal time to the left.
Similarly for crossfade right. Does this do what you want to do or do
you want to do something different?

Chuck

On 11/21/11 11:10 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
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Hello there all. Is there a way to do just crossfaiding in 1.5. I see crossfaid to the left and right under the fade submenu. Or maybe I have the names wrong. lol. but if there is a way to do this can someone let me know?

thanks.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:54 pm    Post subject: crossfaiding in 1.5 Reply with quote

Question of what you want -- you have track A and track B and you want
to fade out track A and fade in track B?

Chuck

On 11/22/11 10:09 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
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No I want to crossfaid like radio station. I'd show you want I mean but I don't havve the promo I cut a while back. I want the stereo field to remain the same whilest I crossfade. If you ever used spl studio and clicked a tracl while another one was playing it will cross fade like that. I want to do something like that but a lot cleaner for this promo.
On Nov 21, 2011, at 9:16 AM, Jonah wrote:

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Sarah,

Crossfading left and right may do what you want. crossfade left means take a selection and crossfade it to an equal time to the left. Similarly for crossfade right. Does this do what you want to do or do you want to do something different?

Chuck

On 11/21/11 11:10 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
Quote:
Hello there all. Is there a way to do just crossfaiding in 1.5. I see crossfaid to the left and right under the fade submenu. Or maybe I have the names wrong. lol. but if there is a way to do this can someone let me know?

thanks.

Sarah Alawami

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:01 pm    Post subject: crossfaiding in 1.5 Reply with quote

Dear Sarah, did you actually try the crossfade function to see what it does? This is probably the quickest way to figure it out.

Maybe some of the confusion stems from the fact that "left" and "right" do *not* refer to the left / right channel but rather visually to the left / right of the selection. See also the manual for a description. Regards,

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:58 pm    Post subject: crossfaiding in 1.5 Reply with quote

Certainly one way to do it, but probably not the easiest.

Read file A
Insert file B directly after A on the same set of tracks.
Select the last n seconds of A
Do a crossfade to the right.
or
(or first n seconds of B abd do a crossfade to the left)

Or: (this may be hard for Sarah as I think she is vision-challenged and
I have no idea what one can do with AP through sound)

Read file A into track A
Read file B into track B
Move B so that it starts where you want it to fade in.
You can now use either the envelope tool on the two tracks or the fade
in fade out on the two tracks, whichever you like better. Flatten the
sound to a new file. Given my druthers, I would use the envelope tool as
it is non-destructive and easier to fine tune. But as I say, I don't
know how usable it is for the visually challanged.

Chuck

On 11/22/11 11:20 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
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Only one way I know to do that.

1. Near the end of the file, set the fade out.

2. Open the file you want to fade in and set up the fade in at the
beginning of the file.

3. Now, paste that to the clip board.

4. Refocus back on the window of the original file; the one you faded
out.

5. Next, at the point of the fade out paste over the file from the
clip board.

That's the only way to do it I know of.


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On Nov 22, 2011, at 10:09 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

Quote:
No I want to crossfaid like radio station. I'd show you want I mean
but I don't havve the promo I cut a while back. I want the stereo
field to remain the same whilest I crossfade. If you ever used spl
studio and clicked a tracl while another one was playing it will
cross fade like that. I want to do something like that but a lot
cleaner for this promo.
On Nov 21, 2011, at 9:16 AM, Jonah wrote:

Quote:
Sarah,

Crossfading left and right may do what you want. crossfade left
means take a selection and crossfade it to an equal time to the
left. Similarly for crossfade right. Does this do what you want to
do or do you want to do something different?

Chuck

On 11/21/11 11:10 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
Quote:
Hello there all. Is there a way to do just crossfaiding in 1.5. I
see crossfaid to the left and right under the fade submenu. Or
maybe I have the names wrong. lol. but if there is a way to do this
can someone let me know?

thanks.

Sarah Alawami

If you need an edit done on a small project go to
http://music.marrie.org/master for more info.
If you need to contact me my info is below.
MSN and AIM: marrie12@gmail.com <mailto:marrie12@gmail.com>
website: http://music.marrie.org
Podcast: http://tffp.marrie.org/podcast
youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weeks after starting with Amadeus, the crossfading tools are still something I haven't got used to. Crossfade to the Left, Crossfade to the Right, Crossfade... even when I use just "Crossfade", if I go to Undo it says "Undo Crossfade to the Left", even though I did not knowingly select "Crossfade to the Left". Sometimes "Crossfade" is grayed out, sometimes not. I don't know why, but maybe I would if someone told me in a Manual without me having to write in for answers. The crossfade functions and all the variants need explaining fully in the manual. As for "Symetric Fade", it doesn't appear to do anything like what I'd expect and I still cannot work out what it actually does do! All I see is a massive drop in level across the whole selection and no fading at all.
I became so frustrated last week that I had to re-install an old copy of Peak 6 to do some basic fading without guesswork and time wasting. Fortunately it seemed to work fine in Lion. Please update the Amadeus Manual with a more thorough section on all crossfade usage.
Also, I am getting a light but audible-through-headphones "click" at the start of fades when I set "fade in" to a piece of music. And at the very end of the fade when I fade out from the music. In other words, at the point of supposed full silence at the extremity of the fade, there is a click left on the project.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 1:49 am    Post subject: crossfaiding in 1.5 Reply with quote

Ray,

What you want to do is very simple to do in Amadeus. Put file A in
stereo track A and File B in stereo track B (I am assuming 1.5 but I am
certain that you can do it more-or-less the same way in 2.0) and
starting at the same time. Now use the envelope command/whatever to
fade out say track A. Use the envelope on track B to fade in. (see for
example the discussion in section 2.4.2 on 1.5) Far simpler than what
you suggest and far better also as one can modify the shape of the
envelope to make things sound the way that you want and it is totally
non-destructive -- just flatten to a new file to save your result and
you can also save the original in amadeus format and you will be go back
and refine things if you want to in the future.

Chuck

On 11/26/11 5:20 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
Quote:
Well, for me, that just won't work in the following set up.

I have two files. File a and file b. Both files have the exact same
content except that one file has been noise reduced and the other not.
I want to cross fade from file a in to file b and have them exactly
syncronized with each other so that when I play back the result, it
just sounds as though the noise is being pulled out of the recording.
Sarah's technique works well enough if you care nothing for such
exact syncronization; but, the question is this. Can the cross fade
be used for what I want to acomplish? If not, how best to do it. IN
my opinion, it might be more useful for the paste over function to
have as part of it's dialog a cross fade check box. IF this box is
checked, then, here is how it would work.

1. Open the file a and b in seperate windows.

2. Paste to the clip board the portion of file b you wish to cross
fade in to.

3. Now, return to file a. Place the insertion point at the exact
spot you wish the fade to happen.

4. Next, open the paste special dialog. Make sure to check the cross
fade button.

5. Select whether you wish to cross fade according to time or set
markers. It goes without saying that if you choose to cross fade
according to slected markers, they must be placed in to the points
where you wish the cross fade to begin and end.

6. If selecting as to time, enter the number of seconds in to the
text field.

7. Now, press the Apply button.

Of course, we all know that Amadeus Pro does not yet do this. This is
my idea of how that dialog should behave.


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On Nov 26, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

Quote:
I put the marker at the point where I want the crossfaid to start and
know that it is x number of seconds bfore the marker. Tha'ts how I do
it and it works at least for now. and I am only using 1 track to do
all of this in.
On Nov 26, 2011, at 12:32 PM, Sir Cecil wrote:

Quote:
Weeks after starting with Amadeus, the crossfading tools are still
something I haven't got used to. Crossfade to the Left, Crossfade to
the Right, Crossfade... even when I use just "Crossfade", if I go to
Undo it says "Undo Crossfade to the Left", even though I did not
knowingly select "Crossfade to the Left". Sometimes "Crossfade" is
grayed out, sometimes not. I don't know why, but maybe I would if
someone told me in a Manual without me having to write in for
answers. The crossfade functions and all the variants need
explaining fully in the manual.
I became so frustrated last week that I had to re-install an old
copy of Peak 6 to do some basic fading without guesswork and time
wasting. Fortunately it seemed to work fine in Lion. Please update
the Amadeus Manual with a more thorough section on all crossfade usage.




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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 1:56 am    Post subject: crossfaiding in 1.5 Reply with quote

Read the manual carefully -- don't assume it is going to work like
"Peak" -- you are most likely reading the manual through a filter of how
things were done and called in Peak. AP probably uses different
nomenclature. I think you will find you can do what you want fairly
easily if you stop assuming it "should" work like Peak.

Chuck

On 11/26/11 2:32 PM, Sir Cecil wrote:
Quote:
Weeks after starting with Amadeus, the crossfading tools are still something I haven't got used to. Crossfade to the Left, Crossfade to the Right, Crossfade... even when I use just "Crossfade", if I go to Undo it says "Undo Crossfade to the Left", even though I did not knowingly select "Crossfade to the Left". Sometimes "Crossfade" is grayed out, sometimes not. I don't know why, but maybe I would if someone told me in a Manual without me having to write in for answers. The crossfade functions and all the variants need explaining fully in the manual.
I became so frustrated last week that I had to re-install an old copy of Peak 6 to do some basic fading without guesswork and time wasting. Fortunately it seemed to work fine in Lion. Please update the Amadeus Manual with a more thorough section on all crossfade usage.




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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:55 am    Post subject: crossfaiding in 1.5 Reply with quote

Hi Ray, the "Paste Over" function actually allows you to do this exactly in the way you want. Just check the "duck receiving track" box, enter something like -200 dB as the attenuation factor (that reduces anything to complete silence) and enter the length of the crossfade as the "fading duration". Regards,

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