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steveZ



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:48 pm    Post subject: newbie wants to control upper tones Reply with quote

Folks,
I'm kinda new to sound. I have some beautiful dslr camera recordings
of a dubstep concert. The only thing I would like to improve, the treble is a little harsh, or high, but not over peak. Fidelity on everything else is great. So how can I selectively bring that down with out dulling anything? Thanks !! Here are some of them are in case that helps. The first 3 are fine, it's mostly the last 6.

http://blog.stevezavodny.com/?p=448

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:47 pm    Post subject: newbie wants to control upper tones Reply with quote

You could try the different equalizers or one of the filters. Just play around with them.

Best Jan

P.S. Nice event and fine recordings Smile



Am 16/12/2012 um 11:52 schrieb steveZ:

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Folks,
I'm kinda new to sound. I have some beautiful dslr camera recordings
of a dubstep concert. The only thing I would like to improve, the treble is a little harsh, or high, but not over peak. Fidelity on everything else is great. So how can I selectively bring that down with out dulling anything? Thanks !! Here are some of them are in case that helps. The first 3 are fine, it's mostly the last 6.

http://blog.stevezavodny.com/?p=448

Steve Z




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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aye, that I did on a new round of redo's. Yet I thought there might be something more elegant.
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Jim Edgar



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:53 pm    Post subject: newbie wants to control upper tones Reply with quote

You might see if the MDA Sub Bass synthesizer has the results you are looking for.

That plus a little judicious EQ (10 band) might let you shape that a bit further in the lower end..

Basically, you are trying to fix it in the mix (which you probably realize...) - I suspect that your original signal got auto-leveled and the mic just won't deal with the bass energy.  Also, for live audio, if you can get to an area near the sound board, that can help.

best of luck!
 
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmm, well i was smart/lucky(?) enough to use manual levels. Nothing recorded above 0. I assume the camera microphone is not refined enough to get clarity in the higher tones at any level, but i wonder so I am asking here. But the low tones came out great and we can blast away here at the homestead to great effect. Now I very wonder what you mean about the crummy base?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 6:04 am    Post subject: newbie wants to control upper tones Reply with quote

If that is directed at my post, I didn't say the bass was crummy.  When you were said that the level of treble was "harsh or high", my read was that was standing out in your mixed signal, so you could intensify the bass and it could have the effect you are looking for.  That's more to do with mixing than anything that is Amadeus specific, of course.

You might also listen to it on a variety of speakers/locations to make sure it's not just speaker/room coloration of the sound.

again, hope that helps.

- J

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hmm, well i was smart/lucky(?) enough to use manual levels.  Nothing recorded above 0. I assume the camera microphone is not refined enough to get clarity in the higher tones at any level, but i wonder so I am asking here.  But the low tones came out great and we can blast away here at the homestead to great effect.  Now I very wonder what you mean about the crummy base?




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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Jim.

Where does this come from please: MDA Sub Bass synthesizer
and what do folks use it for?

I dont know my audio terms well enough to know exactly what you mean by mix. I dont think i was mixing; i just detached the single stereo audio and tried to improve it.

This is typical of my EQ's for this project.



I had to deamplify by 2 or 3 decibals first or the bass would crackle off scale with that EQ curve. Is this a typical workflow?

But the odd thing is, even with such a lowered treble range, it's still excessively powered on analogue output and every dial on the amp needs to be used to manage it, but not on my computer sound system.

Thanks for comments!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:15 pm    Post subject: newbie wants to control upper tones Reply with quote

"MDA Audio Plug-ins"  or "MDA VST plug-ins" are the best terms to search for updates and downloads available online.  I thought they came with my copy of Amadeus, but I've ended up with a few different sets, and may have found them elsewhere.  The Sub Bass synthesizer seems to add to the bass end of the signal - I'm sure there's a better explanation out there.  But, you can easily hear the difference.  (And do work with a _copy_ of your audio when playing around with eq/effects - tweak to your hearts content and then you have something you can revert to if it all goes horribly wrong...)

In this case, I'm using "Mixing" as though you were the audio engineer - using eq, levels or other effects to create a finished audio track.  It sounds like that is what you are doing.  The range of that engineering can go from something very basic like setting relative output levels of two different tracks so that they complement one another for a simple mono "mix", filtering out  or denoising to create "clean" audio, or using effects, equalization (EQ) and all kinds of tracks to create a stereo mix.

Typically, the Mixing is done post-recording.  Unless of course you are running the soundboard at a live concert, then you are mixing for live performance.  Generally speaking, nothing good ever happens when you peak the signal in digital recording. 

With those EQ settings, you are increasing the bass end of that signal, and "rolling off" or reducing the upper end.  You might find that you get less overwhelming bass energy by dropping the 40 hz level below 0, which might let you keep the next two boosted (maybe even a little more) - you end up with a punchy lower end but not the really "being sounded by a whale in the ocean" effect.  ...unless that is what you are going for.  ;^) 

And most importantly, the resultant mix you end up with depends a lot on your room acoustics and monitors (speakers). There are huge differences between the speakers on your computer and a consumer stereo and again to true Studio Monitor speakers/headphones, and that begins to veer into home recording/audio engineering/music production. There are a lot of resources out there in more Home Recording oriented forums.

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On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 1:06 PM, steveZ <forum2mail@hairersoft.com (forum2mail@hairersoft.com)> wrote:
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Thank you Jim.

Where does this come from please: MDA Sub Bass synthesizer
and what do folks use it for?

I dont know my audio terms well enough to know exactly what you mean by mix. I dont think i was mixing; i just detached the single stereo audio and tried to improve it.

This is typical of my EQ's for this project.



I had to deamplify by 2 or 3 decibals first or the bass would crackle off scale with that EQ curve. Is this a typical workflow?

But the odd thing is, even with such a lowered treble range, it's still excessively powered on analogue output and every dial on the amp needs to be used to manage it, but not on my computer sound system.

Thanks for comments!




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